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  How Long Does This Religion Have Left?

  by pale.emperor in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the generation that will be no means pass away have passed away.. the 144,000 were sealed up in 1935, oh, no wait, we got that wrong, we still have some.. russel is the faithful and wise servant... oh, no he wasn't it was me, rutherford... no, actually, we got that wrong it's knorr... erm, no we mean the governing body.. shunning is pagan, true christians would never do that (1946)... oh, actually, we should do that too.. the revelation book has been re-written.. the un is the satan's visible organisation.. wtbs signs up for fellowship with the un in 1991.. exposed in the guardian newspaper so ends it's fellowship in 2001.. the greatest man book is now obsolete and replaced with another jesus book.. the mags are reduced in pages.. encouraged to use tablets instead of actual books to save paper (money).

  halls being sold off.. congregations sharing halls.. society owned buildings being sold off.. video pertitioning for money only last year to fund a new building.. bethelites reduced.. missionaries sent back home.. young members leaving.. long time members discovering the history and leaving.. how long do you think this religion has left?

  i cant see it being here in another 100 years.

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  Coded Logic

  In regards to the OP, what do you mean by "have left"?

  Have left to what?

  To grow in numbers? Probably not more than a year or two. They're very rapidly approaching stagnation.

  To decrease in numbers? Probably not more than four or five years. Their methods of recruiting outsiders has seriously been curtailed by their reliance on directing people to their website and by their cart ministry. And 2/3 of their children leave the organisation. It won't be long until they have more leaving the organisation than joining it.

  To change their tactics? The Organisation has always been transitory. What it was ten years ago it won't be in ten years from now. Hopefully part of their future changes will be getting rid of the two witness rule for rape victims and mandatory reporting to the authorities when there may have been a crime committed.

  To be profitable? All indications are they are spending more than they can afford and are taking dirastic steps to try and decrease their overhead. It may be some time before they are able to turn a profit again - if ever. Right now they're cannibalizing their assets to stay afloat.

  To admit they've been wrong about every prediction they've ever made? When pigs fly.
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  REAL Miracles!!

  by pale.emperor in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  you all like miracles?

  wanna hear some real miracles that have happened?

  this is all true folks!

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  Coded Logic

  I remember a version where a Brother and Sister went to a yard sale and then strange things started happening around there house (objects moved, whispering voices, incorporeal shapes, etc.). So they called the elders over and after talking they realized it all began when they bought a picture frame at the garage sale. So they took the picture frame out to the garbage and threw it away. But when they came back inside the house the picture frame was back on the shelf. They then tried to burn it but had difficulty in doing so and had to get the fire super hot before it would burn. But no one ever seemed to know who the couple was or who the elders were.

  So weird that I totally believed that story well into adulthood.
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  God's Word and Modern Man

  by TheLiberator in

  1. social
  2. humour

  i have drawn the conclusion that when god speaks, he is using the language and the concepts of the time.

  he is not revealing a new scientific understanding when he speaks.

  that would be distracting from the point being made.

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  Coded Logic

  I have drawn the conclusion that when God speaks, he is using the language and the concepts of the time.
  -The Liberator (from the OP)

  On what bases have you drawn this conclusion? And how do we tell the difference between words written by men and words inspired by a God?
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  Believing Your Story is Real?

  by new boy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this is my 200th topic after 14 years here on the board.

  i hope i can make it a good one.

  so my topic is stories.

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  Coded Logic

  Identity is both transient and also many different things. We, as individuals, are the sum total of our personal experiences, families, cultures, worldviews, hopes, dreams, intentions, etc. And our stories are a way of trying to explain that in the ongoing narratives of our lives.
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  Beyond

  by Coded Logic in

  1. social
  2. entertainment

  any star trek fans out there?

  what'd you think of the new trailer?.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvq3y8bhz2s.

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  Coded Logic

  Yeah the first trailer really had me worried but this looks pretty awesome! I especially like the warp space bending effect (somebody was a fan of Interstellar) and the coriolis force on Kirk as he was jumping inside the spinning space station. Nice attention to physics.
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  Beyond

  by Coded Logic in

  1. social
  2. entertainment

  any star trek fans out there?

  what'd you think of the new trailer?.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvq3y8bhz2s.

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  Coded Logic

  Any Star Trek fans out there? What'd you think of the new trailer?

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tvq3y8BhZ2s
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  God's Word and Modern Man

  by TheLiberator in

  1. social
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  i have drawn the conclusion that when god speaks, he is using the language and the concepts of the time.

  he is not revealing a new scientific understanding when he speaks.

  that would be distracting from the point being made.

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  Coded Logic

  I have drawn the conclusion that when God speaks, he is using the language and the concepts of the time.
  -TL

  On what bases have you drawn this conclusion? And how do we tell the difference between words written by men and words inspired by a God?
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  JWs in denial, so sad

  by Simon in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i had a couple of jw sisters call at my door today.. they started with the bizarre "can we read you a scripture" and read about "death being no more" and asked what i thought of that.. i said it sounded like a mix of disney and dumb.. they then launched into how god was going to put an end to death and wasn't that wonderful?.

  i said it would have been more wonderful if he'd not created death in the first place.. they thought man created death by disobeying so i questioned why god couldn't have just forgiven them.

  apparently "because he loves us" is supposed to be a satisfactory answer to why he kills us.. i asked how loving it was to kill hundreds of thousands of children in tsunami's, disease and so on.. at this point, they gave up on the 'god is love' and switched to the bible being true no matter what because it was an old book and moses had written the first chapter (says the book).. when i suggested it really wasn't that old and that most of the bible myths were copies of older stories from before it was written they questioned if i studied the bible and theology.. then i told them i was brought up as a jw so knew it was all crap.. now it was game on, they immediately switched to play defence questioning why i'd left (and i think they'd already taken a step back away from "the evil" obviously emanating from me).. not much time to say much before they cut and run so i told them i'd left because i found out it was all based on lies and that the watchtower was corrupt and covered up things like child abuse.. oh no, you're thinking of the catholics one of them said (some disdain in how she said "catholics" as though "we're so much better than them").. "well, i challenge you to do a search for the australian royal commission and you'll see the testimony the watchtower leaders gave and the damning evidence that they covered up abuse and reported none of it to the police.".

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  Coded Logic

  Well it's such a blessing that the holy spirit instructed them to come to your house while you were home so that . . . err, wait - nevermind.

  They came to your door so that before you're destroyed you would have a chance to . . . err, wait - you'd already heard the message before.

  The holy spirit guided them to your door so that . . .

  
  
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  Pshycos! - 2016 "Remain Loyal to Jehovah" Regional Convention Program

  by thedepressedsoul in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  wow this is interesting!

  i think how much emphasis this puts on "loyalty" shows their is an issue.

  they're trying to plug the wholes as much and quickly as possible.

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  Coded Logic

  This is intense bombardment of loyalty indoctrination. It is overkill.
  -Half Banana

  Apparently they didn't get the memo:

  
  
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  Maybe I'm Just Ignorant About the New "Anti-Gay" Video

  by turtleturtle in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  homophobia (m-w.com):.

  : irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals.

  can someone tell me, specifically, was homophobic about the new "anti-gay" wt video.

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  Coded Logic

  Except of course that you're allowed to have "kids, fathers, mothers, wives, grandfathers,aunties, cousins...etc.." However, homosexuals are not allowed to have partners. Not exactly "equal opportunity shunning" here.